Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Follow 15136. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. ) 4 years ago. Super Power Score and Level. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Endless Mike. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Mad Jim Jaspers. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. He is. Fight till death. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. VS. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Forum Posts. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. So I might be missing something. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Hajun via feats and implied power. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. it would be mostly stalemate. Followers. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Super Power Score and Level. Loki God Of Stories 17. King_Saturn. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Round 2 : Post Retcon. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. . said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. bloodlisted. #8. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Jan 22, 2017. 967. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Fight takes place in current DC universe. 7 years ago. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Super Power Score and Level. He was initially depicted. Reviews: 0. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. 2. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. 3. Prepare for. Also no Heart Of The Universe). This fifth dimensionl counted. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. 9: Dr. No prep and no knowledge. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. 14 years ago. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. I really can't be asked to go. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. Fighting place: Dr. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. 1. I also added scans and references. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. He has both well feats and statements. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. 0. Yeah. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. I don't know the specifics of how post-retcon Beyonder was nerfed, but the other two rounds are stomps in favor of Beyonder. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. 10 years ago. I think he wins this. Even The. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. #2. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. #1 Omega48. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. 0. Regardless. Forum Posts. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Sep 20, 2018. We knew this but Galactus is less than a fly to Beyonder, this is after but one show of power from Beyonder. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Even The. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. The Beyonders call the. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. -Everything in bleach. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. Follow 379. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). RRPanther • 7 mo. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. 4. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. Jim Shooter who was the. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. 111 results. 3. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. #28 ovy7. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Far from Beyonder levels. - Fight Scenario -. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. But, that was in regard to a. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Doom did. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. -. Spectre. #18 Edited By Kingant27. who universe. I think he wins this. :The mage got a rest time of 1 day between the fights. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. 2. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. 8. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Thanos wins. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. PR Beyonder curbstomps. But basically Dr. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. VS. 0. When he. -Both sides have a week of prep. 9: Dr. 8 years ago. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. not all are the same power level. ago. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. The time lords are at their best. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. 0. Prepare for. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Manhattan is super strong. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. Follow 3000. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. Been done here on the vine. cweaver • 7 yr. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Otherwise there is. 1. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. Super Power Score and Level. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Forum Posts. 1. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). He took many heroes, including. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. The level is set when. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. 8 years ago. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Pre-Retcon Beyonder v. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Add a Comment. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. Then we will talk. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. CitizenSentry. He should win against Lucifer. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Wiki Points. #1 Edited By XiiX. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. He wouldn't be. give evidence of who wins. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Battle. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim. Beyonder needs some preparation. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Additional comment actions. Yes, Fu is at least in Hyperversal, he could be put higher in the arcade and games, but the minimum is Hyperversal, although I don't know why it has been put as in three threads Beyonder vs Fu, Fu is not even close to the levels higher than DB, it is a medium high level at best In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. To start it up I am going to post some of classic Beyonder?s. Beyonder snorts him. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. Earth 691 Beyonder. Forum Posts. Wiki Points. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. He. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. 2. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. 2. ago. 5 years ago. R. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Sorry. ) Speed= Immesurable, Omnipresent in the Beyond-realm. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. ago. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. That's all there is to it. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. May 26, 2023. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Forums. 1. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. 5. He is.